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nutsacboy - 11/8/2009 6:46 PM
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nutsacboy - 11/8/2009 11:01 AM
Excellent match for Nole. He gave it to Fed big time. Revenge is sweet!
A Federer coming from a 2 month vacation. Wow!!!  Where was Djoker in 3 consecutive U.S Opens against Federer on the biggest stage of them all?
no excuses. This is Fed's title to win and he was beaten by Djoker. This is not like Miami, that was a gimme. It's not a slam or masters but it's embarrasing to be beaten on ur home turf while everyone (even the ballboys ) expects u to win. I guess no pizza party this time.
Nobody expects anything from Federer. If you think Federer is serious at this stage of the year when all the Slams are finished for 2009 and he's already got the RG and Wimby double, you're illogical. Sure, Basel was a nice little hometown tournament but it's meaningless. Nobody in history will care about Basel but they will care about Wimbledon....the biggest Slam in the sport. Federer isn't even serious about the remainder of the year. Djoker on the other hand is trying not to lose his ranking to the likes of Murray and Del Potro who are gaining on him.
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Kowarrior, I don't believe even Federer would love replying to your unprofessional posts... That is why I don't want to get into any further discussions with you!!!!! SILENCE IS GOLDEN!!!!!!!!!!!! No comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kowarrior - 11/8/2009 7:50 PM
nutsacboy - 11/8/2009 6:46 PM
kowarrior - 11/8/2009 3:02 PM
nutsacboy - 11/8/2009 11:01 AM
Excellent match for Nole. He gave it to Fed big time. Revenge is sweet!
A Federer coming from a 2 month vacation. Wow!!! Where was Djoker in 3 consecutive U.S Opens against Federer on the biggest stage of them all?
no excuses. This is Fed's title to win and he was beaten by Djoker. This is not like Miami, that was a gimme. It's not a slam or masters but it's embarrasing to be beaten on ur home turf while everyone (even the ballboys ) expects u to win. I guess no pizza party this time.
Nobody expects anything from Federer. If you think Federer is serious at this stage of the year when all the Slams are finished for 2009 and he's already got the RG and Wimby double, you're illogical. Sure, Basel was a nice little hometown tournament but it's meaningless. Nobody in history will care about Basel but they will care about Wimbledon....the biggest Slam in the sport. Federer isn't even serious about the remainder of the year. Djoker on the other hand is trying not to lose his ranking to the likes of Murray and Del Potro who are gaining on him.
I'm sorry, KO, but you are sounding sour and defensive. Federer certainly would have liked to win Basel, no matter what anyone expects of him at this stage in the year. I'm sure it's not that he didn't care. You make the distinction that I think is slightly erroneous, or the difference between fans and players. Fans like to tout the more historically significant wins, i.e., Slams, whereas, I think that players still count wins and losses against each other, particularly in finals, as significant in terms of confidence and bragging rights. Basel is a MS event, and top players fought for it. Give Djokovic the kudos that he deserves. He will certainly be taking confidence from it.
Also, I think you're wrong that Federer isn't serious about the rest of the year. With some good results, Nadal could still pass him for year-end #1. And I'm pretty sure that Roger wants that not to be so. Djokovic is not the only one fighting for his ranking.
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I watched the match and enjoyed it, particularly the first two sets. Very high quality
exchanges by both.
Congratulations to Djoko for his win. People should cut the craps like Djoko did not play his best or Roger did not play his best.
Win is a win and nothing else matter.
I think it was a very good match for Roger since he has not played for quite some time.
If he keeps reaching final or high rounds he will definitely hold his #1 this year and for some time in 2010.
paris masters will be interesting.
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moxie629 - 11/8/2009 8:57 PM
Federer certainly would have liked to win Basel, no matter what anyone expects of him at this stage in the year. I'm sure it's not that he didn't care. You make the distinction that I think is slightly erroneous, or the difference between fans and players. Fans like to tout the more historically significant wins, i.e., Slams, whereas, I think that players still count wins and losses against each other, particularly in finals, as significant in terms of confidence and bragging rights. Basel is a MS event, and top players fought for it. Give Djokovic the kudos that he deserves. He will certainly be taking confidence from it.
Also, I think you're wrong that Federer isn't serious about the rest of the year. With some good results, Nadal could still pass him for year-end #1. And I'm pretty sure that Roger wants that not to be so. Djokovic is not the only one fighting for his ranking.
Nice post Moxie. Two very good points.
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Ajmo Nole - 11/8/2009 3:42 PM
kowarrior - 11/8/2009 10:07 PM
Well...Basel isn't exactly Wimbledon. :giggle: Why do you have need to write like that ? Give credits to Novak (if you want ), or write something about match !? There is no need to be such sarcastic scam on every thread about Novak, or Nadal, or xyz player who is on your blacklist. :|
He wrote that because the post he responded to was not worth a real counter, such as one that would point out how Novak "Show no respect to Federer" Djokovic just lost to Roger, a month or so prior to this tournament, in the semis of a much bigger stage. And because it’s pretty illogical (said nicely) to use this final as an indication that Federer is "on his way out".
But then again, one must consider the source of said notions...
That being said, I do agree that Novak deserves credit for this win. Actually, I think he's been playing excellent tennis for a few tournaments now. That loss to Davydenko was by no means a bad one - it was a very high quality match that was absolutely earned by the Russian. Fast forward to Basel, and he's had a string of great matches against Wawrinka, and for the most part, Stepanek. I rewatched some of the Fed match today, and didn't really think that either played too well (for their standards), but the credit is still to him for taking the win. Hopefully he can continue in the right direction.
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Great posts and Kudos to an interesting end of the season. Looking forward to the YEC. Paris is a Masters that will determine the last two qualifiers and I expect at least one of them to take Paris, or get close to taking it.....
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nutsacboy - 11/8/2009 12:01 PM
Excellent match for Nole. He gave it to Fed big time. Revenge is sweet!
Revenge is sweet? Winning a 500 series event over a guy who's won the last 2 grand slam meetings and 4 of 5 overall? And the guy who lost has been in 17 of the last 18 grand slam finals (winning 11 of them) which is the true measure of greatness in tennis. And Djokovic has been in... ONE. If that's what it takes for him to get revenge, than that's pretty lame. Federer would obviously have liked to win this tournament like all others, but if he doesn't, he doesn't lose sleep because of it. Just like Sampras at the end of his career. I admit to being a Federer fan, but honestly, at this point, I don't even take the 1000 series events too seriously. Other than Nadal, no one consistently bothers Roger at majors. It may start in 2010, but so far it hasn't happened.
Wake me when the Australian Open starts.
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The running theme in their rivalry: When both players play well, Federer wins. When both players play poorly Djokovic wins.
I thought the match was a bit of a stinker actually. Very erratic play by both guys and way too many break chances and poor tactical choices on their service games.
I kind of got the feeling that neither player was sure either of their form or their opponents, so it was like a perpetual feeling out match that lasted 3 sets. I also got the feeling that they were trying to impress each other by going for some shots that they shouldn't have been going for.
Edited by Haelfix 11/8/2009 10:15 PM
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just watched the highlights on youtube, good match between them two (execpt for the last set.) kudos for djokovic for beating federer on his home turf.
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Hello All,
Federer lost to the number 3 player in the world. No shame in that. I sort of felt he would lose after his performance in the match Saturday. Djokovic looked better the entire tournament in my opinion. He also had a tougher draw. Roger has won over 86% of his matches this year, an outstanding number. His goal is to end the year at number one. If he gets to the quarters in Paris and wins 2 matches at the YEC he will achieve his goal. Thus, losing to Novack was not the worst thing in the world and Djokovic has been playing well for quite awhile. However, I do expect Fed to start declining next season. He has definitely lost some hunger and motivation. That should be clear to everyone. Then again he may continue to surprise us all.
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I think Fed's serve and forehand were still on that 2 month vacation!
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TMF struggles with players that are great movers(isn't this stating the obvious) like Rafa, Djoker and AndyM. That what makes JMDP victory at the USO so remarkable because he is not known for his footwork. This is really much to do about nothing because this was a 500 pt event and it would have been a "nice to have win" but after a week, are we really gonna remember that he didn't win the title. No. At least this week, the threads to change back to the Pro-Fed, Pro- Rafa, Pro-Djoker and I Pro-Mctoothy discussion.
Edited by The Anti-Pusher 11/9/2009 9:44 AM
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abdel56 - 11/9/2009 8:19 AM
Hello All,
Federer lost to the number 3 player in the world. No shame in that. I sort of felt he would lose after his performance in the match Saturday. Djokovic looked better the entire tournament in my opinion. He also had a tougher draw. Roger has won over 86% of his matches this year, an outstanding number. His goal is to end the year at number one. If he gets to the quarters in Paris and wins 2 matches at the YEC he will achieve his goal. Thus, losing to Novack was not the worst thing in the world and Djokovic has been playing well for quite awhile. However, I do expect Fed to start declining next season. He has definitely lost some hunger and motivation. That should be clear to everyone. Then again he may continue to surprise us all.
Thank-you, very thoughtfuul message. I am very annoyed by those sarcastic messages stating that nobody cares by these year end events.
If Roger would have not cared, he would have prolonged his vacation into the holidays.
But he had to show up, to make enough points down the stretch, to keep Nadal at a distance and make sure he enters with enough lead into next year as # 1.
He will be able to do that easily, and this loss will have no much an effect at all.
Then the pressure will shift back on Nadal shoulders who will have to defend tons of points the first 5 months.
The result for me was quite normal, Djokovic is in good form and was match ready, Roger wasn't. What is so much to debate about it? Novak will stay clear from Murray, who will try to regain his # 3, the races are still very much intact and all the players have to take care of their ranking this time of the year, otherwise, they would find an excuse to be no show.
In case they don't show up, they will lose ground. For example, Roddick will slip behind Davydenko again, if Davydenko will be decent this week.
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2010 will interesting to see how Federer responds? Murray and Djokovic are on the upswing. Am not sure what to expect from Rafa and Roger?
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abdel56 - 11/9/2009 1:29 PM
2010 will interesting to see how Federer responds? Murray and Djokovic are on the upswing. Am not sure what to expect from Rafa and Roger?
Neither do I. If Rafa is not in great form at the AO and Murray and Djokovic are., there is a possibility to see him slipping to even 4th in the world. I know I am not going to get much love for this from his fans, but is quite possible.
Roger will be tested in the summer, comes RG and Wimby.
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abdel56 - 11/9/2009 1:29 PM
2010 will interesting to see how Federer responds? Murray and Djokovic are on the upswing. Am not sure what to expect from Rafa and Roger?
This is a very easy one. TMF will tear the threads out of Djoker n AndyM in the slams. These two have not done one thing the past 2 years to change the direction of the top spot of men's tennis. Sure, they have won a 5 or 6 tournament every year but won as many slams as Kowarrior or Dylan, or (the 130 mph first serving but mental concentration of Safin) the Anti-Pusher! ZERO.
Edited by The Anti-Pusher 11/9/2009 1:51 PM
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herios - 11/9/2009 2:44 PM
abdel56 - 11/9/2009 1:29 PM
2010 will interesting to see how Federer responds? Murray and Djokovic are on the upswing. Am not sure what to expect from Rafa and Roger?
Neither do I. If Rafa is not in great form at the AO and Murray and Djokovic are., there is a possibility to see him slipping to even 4th in the world. I know I am not going to get much love for this from his fans, but is quite possible.
Roger will be tested in the summer, comes RG and Wimby.
I am a Rafa fan prepared to not give you much love!  But I take your point. If Rafa doesn't do much at the end of year, and has a poor showing at AO, he could drop. However, even if Paris and YEC are only OK for him, he could do well in Davis Cup, giving him a certain amount of confidence. He could feel good at AO, IW, and is likely to do well in the European Clay court season. At this stage in the calendar, it would not be smart to bet that he would drop in the rankings. Outside of a debacle, Rafa will hold his own past Wimbledon. The winter/spring is his strong part of the year. After that, we'll see.
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moxie629 - 11/9/2009 11:44 PM
I am a Rafa fan prepared to not give you much love! But I take your point. If Rafa doesn't do much at the end of year, and has a poor showing at AO, he could drop. However, even if Paris and YEC are only OK for him, he could do well in Davis Cup, giving him a certain amount of confidence. He could feel good at AO, IW, and is likely to do well in the European Clay court season. At this stage in the calendar, it would not be smart to bet that he would drop in the rankings. Outside of a debacle, Rafa will hold his own past Wimbledon. The winter/spring is his strong part of the year. After that, we'll see.
As much as I hate Rafa dropping out of #2 spot and setting up undesirable semis with Roger, it is quite possible early next spring.
If Rafa does not do very well in Paris & London and close the gap between Roger and himself, it is very likely that his ranking will drop next year.
Rafa has to defend 5000 points next Jan to Apr (AO,IW, Rome, MC) as opposed to Roger's 2300. He wont gain ground even in the unlikely event of winning all those next year.
Barring a string of real poor performances from Roger in the next six months, Roger is likely to remain #1 till RG. Rafa will have to fight to hang to #2.
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Reddy - 11/10/2009 3:52 AM
moxie629 - 11/9/2009 11:44 PM
I am a Rafa fan prepared to not give you much love! But I take your point. If Rafa doesn't do much at the end of year, and has a poor showing at AO, he could drop. However, even if Paris and YEC are only OK for him, he could do well in Davis Cup, giving him a certain amount of confidence. He could feel good at AO, IW, and is likely to do well in the European Clay court season. At this stage in the calendar, it would not be smart to bet that he would drop in the rankings. Outside of a debacle, Rafa will hold his own past Wimbledon. The winter/spring is his strong part of the year. After that, we'll see.
As much as I hate Rafa dropping out of #2 spot and setting up undesirable semis with Roger, it is quite possible early next spring.
If Rafa does not do very well in Paris & London and close the gap between Roger and himself, it is very likely that his ranking will drop next year.
Rafa has to defend 5000 points next Jan to Apr (AO,IW, Rome, MC ) as opposed to Roger's 2300. He wont gain ground even in the unlikely event of winning all those next year.
Barring a string of real poor performances from Roger in the next six months, Roger is likely to remain #1 till RG. Rafa will have to fight to hang to #2.
This. Rafa will likely be no better than #3 when RG rolls around. That doesn't mean his play will have dropped off, just that he has an inordinate amount of points to defend.
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Doogansquest - 11/10/2009 10:50 AM
Reddy - 11/10/2009 3:52 AM
moxie629 - 11/9/2009 11:44 PM
I am a Rafa fan prepared to not give you much love! But I take your point. If Rafa doesn't do much at the end of year, and has a poor showing at AO, he could drop. However, even if Paris and YEC are only OK for him, he could do well in Davis Cup, giving him a certain amount of confidence. He could feel good at AO, IW, and is likely to do well in the European Clay court season. At this stage in the calendar, it would not be smart to bet that he would drop in the rankings. Outside of a debacle, Rafa will hold his own past Wimbledon. The winter/spring is his strong part of the year. After that, we'll see.
As much as I hate Rafa dropping out of #2 spot and setting up undesirable semis with Roger, it is quite possible early next spring.
If Rafa does not do very well in Paris & London and close the gap between Roger and himself, it is very likely that his ranking will drop next year.
Rafa has to defend 5000 points next Jan to Apr (AO,IW, Rome, MC ) as opposed to Roger's 2300. He wont gain ground even in the unlikely event of winning all those next year.
Barring a string of real poor performances from Roger in the next six months, Roger is likely to remain #1 till RG. Rafa will have to fight to hang to #2.
This. Rafa will likely be no better than #3 when RG rolls around. That doesn't mean his play will have dropped off, just that he has an inordinate amount of points to defend.
Isnt this stating the Obvious, If you are the number 1 ranked player for the majority of this year, it would make sense that you will have a ton of points to defend during the first half of next year. Bottom line, Rafa has got to start winning titles again and there is no way around it. I dont see the big "deal" and I thought this thread was Fed v Djoker.
Edited by The Anti-Pusher 11/10/2009 3:39 PM
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You are welcome to scroll past posts not of interest to you. If you insist on discussing the thread subject only why are you furthering the discussion.
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Reddy - 11/10/2009 11:30 AM
You are welcome to scroll past posts not of interest to you. If you insist on discussing the thread subject only why are you furthering the discussion.
You got a Point. I will take the High Road.
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This match was sadly predictable - Roger was back to the sloppy and lethargic form that we saw much of early last year, whilst Novak capitalized on this and gained confidence as the match went on. What is becoming apparent is that this is becoming the standard Roger for much of the time now - where he can play 4 strong service games and then suddenly make 6 horrendous forehand errors out of nowhere. Where he's still good enough to beat 95% of the tour, but he's likely to be beaten by the likes of Nadal, Murray, Novak and a few others who can smell the blood a mile off. I have no doubt in my mind that Murray would have beaten Roger had they met in Basel - and he probably would have got the job done in 2 sets.
The problem for us Federer fans, is that we know this patchy version of Roger can still be discarded when the 'old' Roger makes an appearance even outside of slams. It almost seems like a motivation issue - why is it that Roger managed to beat Murray and Novak back to back with ease in Cincinatti, then beat Novak again in the US Open, but then get beaten by him in Basel just a few months later? I had the feeling that Roger willed himself to win in Cinccy - to make a point when others were questioning him and teach a lesson to Murray and Novak the upstarts. Same thing at Madrid this year when he beat Rafa. Obviously Roger is a different guy in slams but this contrast in his form of slams and non-slams is getting greater. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't win a single event next year outside of slams - or he puts a huge energy in to winning one perhaps. The problem is that as he's becoming older, it's not his physical abilities which are diminishing, it's his mental focus and will, which is to be expected. I think we're going to see some good tennis from him in 2010, but I'm expecting to be tortured and heartbroken as we see him decline.
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While it's still premature to declare the decline of Fed, I think you make a good point that his ability to focus (mental lapses) are what he is dealing with the most. Still quite respectable for the first tournament after a 2 month layoff.
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