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We’ve heard about how hard it is to play your compatriots. We can guess how difficult it would to go up against a sibling. But what about facing a fellow podcaster? How do you go from sharing a set of oversize microphones each week to trying to blast a ball past each other?

That’s the transition Jessica Pegula and Madison Keys will make when they step into Rod Laver Arena for their fourth-round match on Monday morning in Melbourne.

“It’s a very niche headline,” Keys joked.

Read: Keys won’t eat cheddar apple pie if she loses to Pegula

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For these two Americans, neither of whom is known as a diva or a trash talker, it will be business as usual.

“We’re so used to it,” Pegula says of being around her longtime tour-mate. “It doesn’t really change that much.”

“We could literally be friends and laughing till the moment we walk on the court,” Key says. “The moment it’s over, you’re back to being friends.”

In fact, the day before they play, the two were planning to record an episode of their show, The Player’s Box.

“She wants to make me eat her disgusting apple pie with cheese on top of it if I lose,” Keys laughed. “I refuse, so she’s going to have to think of something else.”

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Keys, 30, and Pegula, 31, are obviously very familiar with each other off the court. They’ve been riding the same junior and pro circuits for more than half of their lives. Now, after all of that time and all of those air miles, each finds herself at, or near, the peak of her powers. Pegula is the sixth seed; Keys is ninth. Keys is defending her first and only Grand Slam title, while Pegula has been creeping closer to major number one for a few years now. Neither has dropped a set in her first three matches.

But while they know each other well as people, they haven’t played the role of opponents all that often. In a decade and a half, they’ve only faced off three times. All three matches were on hard courts, and Keys won the last two, including a three-setter in the Adelaide final a year ago.

“I kind of need to figure out some things that I need to do different against her, because I’ve lost the last couple times,” Pegula says. “She’s the type of player, when she’s on, she can beat anybody. We know that.”

In general, Keys is the puncher and Pegula the counterpuncher. They both hit a fairly flat ball, but Keys hits it harder. In Adelaide last January, Pegula’s shots fed into Keys’ and gave her the type of pace and height that allows her to comfortably tee off. Pegula has worked on a backhand slice in recent years, and that may help. She’ll also want to keep Keys moving sideline to sideline as much as possible. Pegula, as she has shown in her close matches with Aryna Sabalenka recently, has the ability to increase her own pace as a match progresses, and hold her own with bigger hitters.

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We could literally be friends and laughing till the moment we walk on the court. The moment it’s over, you’re back to being friends. Madison Keys

In the end, though, she’ll have to hope. That’s a lot of what beating Keys entails: Hoping that she starts missing, and keeps missing. If she doesn’t, there’s not a ton you can do about it.

“I’m just going to have to use some of the tools I think that I’ve gotten better at, and hopefully they work,” Pegula says.

So far, Keys has done a good job dealing with whatever pressure she felt as the defending champion.

“I think at this point it’s, I guess, kind of become old news a little bit,” she said on Saturday. “So definitely feeling a lot more comfortable.”

If anything, her breakthrough last year may put a little bit of extra pressure on both women. Now Keys and Pegula know that a Grand Slam title isn’t out of reach for either of them. They’ll also know that the winner of this match will be into the quarters—the official business end of a Slam—and won’t have to face any of the Top 3 seeds there.

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The result will mostly be on Keys’ racquet—is it ever anywhere else when she plays? But right now it feels as if Pegula, who is 6-1 on the season, is especially dialed in. She’s a three-time quarterfinalist Down Under, and she trounced another quality U.S. player, McCartney Kessler, 6-0, 6-2 in the second round.

“I think I played some really good matches, been very efficient I think score-wise, time on court,” Pegula says.

Whatever happens, there will be another podcast to do next week.

“I think those are one of those things that I actually really love [about] tennis,” Keys says. “It’s taught a lot of us how to just kind of manage our friendships and relationships and be able to genuinely love each other and are close and all of that, but also still be really competitive.”

Sounds like a good listen.